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POLL: Should Schools Mandate Vaccinations?

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More than a thousand adults and children were vaccinated for whooping cough (pertussis) in Barrington last week after multiple students were confirmed to have the illness.

As of Wednesday, the number of confirmed cases of whooping cough (pertussis) in the town had jumped to 21, according to the Rhode Island Department of Health (HEALTH). Meanwhile, in Middletown, at least one student was confirmed with the illness at a local school this week.

The vaccination clinic in Barrington was organized by the Department of Health and was apparently the first in the state for whooping cough. It was not mandatory, although the health department did consider putting all of the students at one school on antibiotics after the reported cases.

Schools in our area are increasingly holding vaccination clinics that parents have to opt out of if they don't want their children to participate. As cases of illnesses like whooping cough rise in local schools, do you think the schools should mandate that children be vaccinated?

Vote in our poll and share your thoughts in the comments section below.

  • Should schools mandate vaccinations?

    (Voting has been closed for this question)
    • Yes
        250 (29%)
    • No
        472 (56%)
    • Depends on the circumstances
        117 (13%)
    Total votes: 839
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Related Topics: Barrington Whooping Cough and Rhode Island Department of Health

Madison

9:12 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012

You're not giving me no vaccination.

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Steve Hopkins

12:41 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

That statement is a double negative! Meaning that you are getting the vaccination!

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nucky thomson

11:41 am on Sunday, February 12, 2012

" schools will become clinics whose purpose is to provide individualized pscho-social treamentment for the student .... and teachers must become pshco-social therepist. " this will include bio-chemical and pshchological mediation of leaning... as drugs are introduced experimentaly to inprove in the leaner, such qualities as personality,concerntration and memorie. " childern are to become the objects of experimtation" ~ a national education association. AND STILL TO THIS DAY THE PROGRESSIVES STILL MARCH TO THIS ! [THATS A NO! ]

KO

3:57 am on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Can hardly believe this is even a question and the fact that 64% voted yes...I would love to hear your reasoning for forced vaccination....bye bye America.

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Joe Sousa.

5:16 am on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

No Government entity can force you to take the vaccination. It is a choice for the individual to make. The parents should decide. If there is a chance the children will catch the whooping cough it might be wise to take it.

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nucky thomson

11:46 am on Sunday, February 12, 2012

open unprotected borders brought back whooping cough, just inmagine a O.T.M will bring with evil intent

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nucky thomson

11:48 am on Sunday, February 12, 2012

yes, it can once obama/romneycare kicks in read the law you have no say

RI Teabagger

6:51 am on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Diseases are sent by God to punish sin.

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Pamela M Fernandes

7:42 am on Friday, January 27, 2012

I sincerely hope this is a joke! IF you BELIEVE in GOD .. then you should believe there would be no harm done by a loving GOD!

nptresident

7:09 am on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

The government should absolutely mandate vaccines! Vaccines protect the public from horrible diseases like polio, meningitis, whopping cough. It's ridiculous to leave it to e public to decide. Vaccines do not cause autism either.

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Patrick Thomas

1:36 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

The vaccine doesn't work and unvaccinated aren't to blame.

I have made the following compilation that many of you may find very useful: "A collection of mainstream news reports and studies exploding the whooping cough vaccine myth" -

http://www.dailypaul.com/167931/a-collection-of-mainstream-news-reports-and-studies-exploding-the-whooping-cough-vaccine-myth

Taken from my above collection, we have the recent mainstream news of a mainstream study that the vaccine is completely useless:

"Whooping cough vaccine falters after just 3 years, less protection than believed"

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/childhood-whooping-cough-vaccination-falters-3-years-small-150725679.html

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"Witt said that when he started the study he expected to see the illness concentrated in unvaccinated people. But more than 80 per cent of the children who developed whooping cough in Witt's study were fully vaccinated."

‎"I was disturbed to find maybe we had a little more confidence in the vaccine than it might deserve," said the lead researcher, Dr. David Witt, chief of infectious disease at the Kaiser Permanente Medical Center in San Rafael, California.

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C. Anderson

7:51 am on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

Ridiculous to leave it up to the "public," huh? Who do you think the "government" is made of? Who is the "elected public" to tell the "unelected public" what to do about their own health? Do they gain some kind of mysterious superior wisdom no one else has just because they got "elected?" Are they are more intelligent than the ones who elected them? In Rhode Island?

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Sarah A'Court

10:20 am on Thursday, January 26, 2012

and you know this because??? your doctor told you so? Sorry but I would be willing to bet that the majority of people who are anti forced vaccination on here are very well educated people and have taken the time to study vaccinations to come to their decision. No parent who is told vaccination with protect their child would suddenly decide otherwise unless there was a good reason for doing so. In my personal opinion no vaccine is safe, and it is premature to say they do not cause Autism, as the actual cause of Autism is still being studied and vaccines have NOT been ruled out. The only people I hear telling me that they are safe are the very people who manufacture and SELL the vaccines!

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Pamela M Fernandes

7:42 am on Friday, January 27, 2012

SO do you believe in FREEDOM of CHOICE?

Tammy

7:15 am on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Reason for requiring vaccinations? Public health. I dont want my children exposed to someone else's self righteous stupidity! And yes all if my children have been vaccinated none have autism or any other so called vaccine induced condition... They were required to attend public school once and should be again without question. Those who dont like it can be home schooled.

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J L R

8:31 am on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Tammy, are you saying that children who cannot be vaccinated for cetrain diseases due to health reasons be barred from school?

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Theresa Garrett Dennison

1:07 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

The vaccinated kids are the ones who spread disease. The Live Vaccines SHED.
R-E-A-D. Your kids may have compromised immune systems and you don't even realize it. How can you so easily say those things when so many children have been killed and permanently damaged from vaccines? Very heartless and inconsiderate.

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Patrick Thomas

4:16 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

BEYOND ANTIBIOTICS - By Lawrence Wilson, MD

http://www.drlwilson.com/Articles/antibiotics.htm

Excerpt:

In Beyond Antibiotics, the authors use graphs to trace the incidence of the major infectious diseases from 1900 to 1973. The diseases include measles, scarlet fever, tuberculosis, typhoid fever, pneumonia, influenza, whooping cough, diphtheria and polio. All were in decline for several decades before the introduction of antibiotics or vaccines.

After reviewing the data, researchers John McKinlay and Sonja McKinlay at Boston University concluded that ".. at most, 3.5% of the total decline in mortality since 1900 could be ascribed to medical measures introduced for the diseases considered here". Improved nutrition and improved sanitation and hygiene were far more important than the 'wonder drugs' or vaccines to reduce these diseases.

nptresident

7:20 am on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Whopping cough, which was very rare is now making a comeback because of parents who refuse to vaccination. This is matter of public health.

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Theresa Garrett Dennison

1:04 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

that is BUNK! The outbreaks are made up of mostly the VACCINATED- which means that the vaccines ARE NOT WORKING!

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nptresident

1:10 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Ok, believe what you want to believe, but my kid will not be getting whopping cough thanks to my good common sense.

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Marsha McClelland

3:06 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Here's a collection of mainstream news reports and studies exploding the whooping cough vaccine myth;

http://tinyurl.com/3byxsrb

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Distant Cousin

7:16 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Theresa, please give me some cite to evidence supporting your claim that most of the kids who get whopping cough were vaccinated. Thank you very much.

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Patrick Thomas

7:57 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Distant Cousin, take a look at this mainstream proof - PLENTY of it -

The vaccine doesn't work and unvaccinated aren't to blame.

I have made the following compilation that many of you may find very useful: "A collection of mainstream news reports and studies exploding the whooping cough vaccine myth" -

http://www.dailypaul.com/167931/a-collection-of-mainstream-news-reports-and-studies-exploding-the-whooping-cough-vaccine-myth

Taken from my above collection, we have the recent mainstream news of a mainstream study that the vaccine is completely useless:

"Whooping cough vaccine falters after just 3 years, less protection than believed"

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/childhood-whooping-cough-vaccination-falters-3-years-small-150725679.html

Excerpts:

"Witt said that when he started the study he expected to see the illness concentrated in unvaccinated people. But more than 80 per cent of the children who developed whooping cough in Witt's study were fully vaccinated."

‎"I was disturbed to find maybe we had a little more confidence in the vaccine than it might deserve," said the lead researcher, Dr. David Witt, chief of infectious disease at the Kaiser Permanente Medical Center in San Rafael, California.

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deb of see-attleboro

8:03 am on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

NO! NO! NO! NO!
Schools should NOT mandate vaccines.
Now, if I were asked if public schools should be obligated to enforce mandates issued by the state department of health with authority granted by the legislature, my answer might be different. But since that is not the question, my answer is a resounding NO.

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Distant Cousin

7:34 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Schools can not independently require vaccines. If a vaccine is mandatory, it is only because of a requirement of the state or federal government. By the way, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the authority of states to mandate vaccinations in Jacobson v. Massachusetts in 1905. Additionally, in the clinics that the schools put on offering vaccines, no child gets a vaccine unless a parent has signed a document authorizing the vaccination. They are not opt-out clinics. The Patch should get such facts straight before asking a question like this. Unless, of course, it is the Patch's goal to stir up public outrage in order to increase it's readership and the number of comments posted.

J L R

8:33 am on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

My very health 20 month old son who was talking, pointing, and smiling and laughing with Mommy and daddy developed Autism due to Autoimmune reaction to his MMR vaccine. We didn't realize that was what happened it at the time so he continued to get vaccines and he continued to loose more and more skills. it was beyond horryifing to watch. My son will not receive another vaccine "just because" the Govt thinks it's a good idea. Yes vaccines prevent diseases BUT vaccine manufacturers are the same folks who push a drug on you for every single ailment known to man (and some I swear they are making up) and putting all those ads on TV. The BIG pharmacutical companies are rolling in the billions of dollars they make from us being sheep and running in for every pill and vaccine.

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J L R

8:41 am on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

By the way... 50-80% of Pediatricians' revenue comes from giving vaccines. Imagine what would happen if people really started to be more choosey about the current schedule of with 36 vaccines for infants toddlers preschoolers? A vaccine schedule that has NEVER BEEN TESTED FOR combination risks? A schedule that is almost double the average of 30 other first world countries? Might we see a reduction of ADHD Asthma, Allergies, Autism and the myriad of other diseases that have increased exponentially?
When it comes to big pharmaceutical companies running the vaccine mandate show thanks but no thanks

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deb of see-attleboro

9:34 am on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

I have to admit. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that "we the people" have been chosen by the World Health Organization as a laboratory for scientific experimentation on the health front.
We are a pretty naive bunch when it comes to fruitless fads. And we have the diversity of ethnicity.......hmmmmmm..

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nptresident

1:11 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Can you spell - PARANOIA???????

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Marsha McClelland

2:21 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Good one Deb; "Can you spell-TUSKEGEE?"

Bruce Vanicek

8:47 am on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

In July of 1999, the CDC (Centers for Disease Control) recommended that mercury be removed from all vaccines as soon as possible. In 2012, mercury is still present in vaccines. Mercury is the third most toxic element on the planet, 100 times more toxic than lead. If they were truly concerned about public health, they would focus the current epidemic of chronic disease among our children. Over 40 percent of children under 18 have a chronic illness such as asthma, allergies, autism, ADD, ADHD, and diabetes! If they cannot follow their own recommendations to remove such a blatantly and unnecessary toxic element from our children's vaccines, how can I trust the remainder of the vaccines or the vaccine schedule?

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outside look

8:51 am on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

This isn't an issue of government control, but if it were the government would win the ruling, public health issue. Which would mean your child gets vaccinated for serious spreadable disease/virus or you home school...I understand those people that do not want to vaccinate their kids and that is your choice as well for those who choose to vaccinate. I cannot stop myself or my child from being exposed to disease/viruses unless we live in a bubble. We walk, talk and sit next to people everyday that are not vaccinated. Some of them might be a new co-worker or a lunch pal, you really can't be sure and I know your not asking. If your going to ask a child to be vaccinated then the adults who work at the school should all be up to date with vaccinations as well. What about the outside volunteers that enter the school? In a perfect world it would be nice that everyone would be immune from disease/virus but until then I'll vaccinate my children.

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Bruce Vanicek

10:16 am on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

If your child is vaccinated, why are you worried? Shouldn't they be immune?

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Renee Tagliavia Harrison

11:08 am on Thursday, January 26, 2012

please, please... (respectfully) the people here offering info. are not (as the media, and your Dr. suggests) anti-vaccine nut jobs. they are people who vaccinated and their children who are now injured and/or disabled (which my dear friends, you are paying for through your tax dollars) they (like myself) have learned the hard way and simply are now sharing years of research and experience so that you too will not have to suffer. Please, every single sentence above is MISINFORMATION. I beg you to look deeper, with an open mind.

Signed: Mother of a vaccine injured child

nptresident

8:55 am on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

There is absolutely zero correlation between autism and vaccines. The doctor who made such correlation was caught in a lie.

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/01/12/autism-vaccine-fraud-wakefield-cost-money-deaths/

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J L R

9:22 am on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

This poor man has been vilified by reporters who don't do their homework and by people who are vaccine developers (Like Dr Paul Offit.) Dr Wakefield NEVER, EVER said vaccines cause Autism. And In fact he is now suing for slander.
Check out David Kirby’s' book Evidence of Harm. The title is from the Govt saying that there is no "evidence of harm" from vaccines. Also check out how much money has been givien to families from the vaccine injury compensation where it was proved in court that the child developed Autism after vaccines. The govt is PAYING these families money after it was proved the vaccines caused Autism.
Obviously not all is Autism is from vaccines but parents of infants need to be well educated before they let their infant become a human pin cushion

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Theresa Garrett Dennison

1:02 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

You need to read current information- This is old news and Wakefield was attacked wrongfully

paul

9:12 am on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Yes, High Schools should mandate birth control.

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J L R

9:25 am on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

absolutely and while they are mandating birth control why not mandate every child with ADHD or any other disoerder be on specific medications of the state's choosing.
Lets take the all the power away from the parents to decide what is best for their child's health. They obviously don't know what they are doing anyway, Silly parents choosing to be cautious and well informed!

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deb of see-attleboro

9:49 am on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Sure, Paul. Why not? There is viagra for men with sexual dysfunction. Maybe there is a drug out there for teen boys that would have the opposite effect. Think of the possibilities! Boys would be less distracted by girls with plunging necklines and pencil skirts. Porn sales would plummet. Date rape among teens non-existent. Sexting? What's the point. I think your onto something, paul!;)

Mari

9:28 am on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

JLR, You have been Misled about the Cause of Autism!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Bruce Vanicek

10:21 am on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Mari, I suggest you read "The Age of Autism", mercury,medicine and a man-made epidemic by Dan Olmsted and Mark Blaxill. If you are unwilling to buy a copy, let me know, and I will give you one.

Kristine

9:28 am on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

I find it interesting how many parents today probably grew up getting vaccinations, and are healthy/fine, yet it's the new trend to NOT vaccinate their children. As the mother of a premature son who is now of preschool age I prefer not to have him in an environment where many children are not vaccinated. I do not like the vaccines such as HPV etc but the standard vaccines I rec'd as a child, my son received...and to date he has no issue. The battle between vaccines and autism will never be solved, but that in itself is not a reason to not vaccinate.

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deb of see-attleboro

9:40 am on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Kristine: Theoretically, as long as your child is vaccinated you have no worries.

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Theresa Garrett Dennison

1:11 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

I received 8 vaccines- now there are 40+ on the schedule. BIG difference. Hep B at birth? Ridiculous. Chicken pox? Another BILLION $$$ joke...

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Marsha McClelland

3:23 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

kristine said;

"I find it interesting how many parents today probably grew up getting vaccinations, and are healthy/fine, yet it's the new trend to NOT vaccinate their children."

You think we're just fine? That's not true. Many of us have been suffering including our going to early graves. For proof just study up by beginning with looking up any disease you can think of along with the word epidemic to see for yourself.

1 in 3 have cancer in their lifetime with 1 in 2 being the statistic at this point being men because the military over vaccinates them as true research will show.

We have traded childhood disease which most recovered from & went on with true immunization unless there were underlying conditions for the most part.

Better sanitation was the reason for the decline of death from disease years ago but vaccines were given, wrongly, the credit.

"The only wholly safe vaccine is a vaccine that is never used"
Dr James A. Shannon, National Institute of Health, USA

Many other wise voices who have been trying to tell us but were stifled & ignored until now>>>

"DOCTORS AND SCIENTISTS CONDEMN VACCINATION"

http://www.vaclib.org/sites/debate/web3.html

paul

10:06 am on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Illegals should not be mandated, but if you work and pay taxes your children should be forced to get every shot in the book.

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oldandtired

11:52 am on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

NO schools should not mandate these.

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nptresident

12:05 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Well, when you kid has polio or meningitis and mine doesn't - who do you have to blame?

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deb of see-attleboro

1:09 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

That is a very good question, nptresident!
There was a time when it would be very simple to blame your doctor for not recommending or at least making you aware of protections available to your child. I would think the vast majority of health care professionals have enabled the government by welcoming mandates. The mandates protect them from ambulance chasing lawyers and years of expensive litigation. Doctors become well-educated mouthpieces for the government.

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Theresa Garrett Dennison

1:12 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

The only people getting poilio these days are the ones getting it from the vaccine.

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Distant Cousin

7:45 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Theresa, polio vaccines are no longer a live vaccine. But that aside, assuming your assertion is true, why do you think we no longer have polio epidemics? Think the vaccines had something to do with it?

Shawn Siegel

12:36 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Of course not - schools are for teaching, not vaccine administration. Moreover, with their captive audience, it makes them insidious agents of the pharmaceutical companies.

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Theresa Garrett Dennison

1:01 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

People who have not done their research are believing everything the big pharma says- Education is power people... Wakefield is innocent. Vaccines are dangerous and NOT effective. If you put your faith and trust into the vaccines- then your kid is safe from mine- right?

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nptresident

1:05 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

I am sorry to have to say this, but I can not believe how ignorant people can be. Life threatening diseases have been wiped out BECAUSE of VACCINES. Schools should mandate them for public health reasons. There is no conspiracy here. It's about your child's - and my child's - health and well being. UNBELIEVABLE. Talk to your doctor instead of readying some senseless blogs that spread fear and paranoia. UGHHHHHHHHHH.

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deb of see-attleboro

1:31 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Why on earth would you want your local school department governed by a citizen school committee to mandate vaccines?

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Marsha McClelland

3:37 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Proof, nptresident, That Vaccines Didn't Save Us

"History shows us that vaccines did NOT eradicate the diseases that plagued humanity. That is a common misconception -- in actual fact, it was better sanitation and hygiene in the cities that prevented the spread of diseases. These charts, from official sources, show us that vaccines (1) were not responsible, and are not necessary, for eliminating infectious diseases, (2) are not effective, and (3) are dangerous."

From Gene's Green Book

http://genesgreenbook.com/content/proof-vaccines-didnt-save-us

[ CLICK ON THE FULLSCREEN MODE BUTTON TO SEE BIGGER IMAGES ]

nptresident

1:15 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

I know this will not do any good for the unenlightened, but what the heck....

http://www.scholastic.com/resources/article/the-vaccine-debate

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Marsha McClelland

3:47 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Lots of rhetoric & propaganda at that site, nptresident, mixed with some truth. I wonder if like most all the restt is a site backed by the pharmacological industry?

There is good news in the very first paragraph, though, that tells us that parents are finally wising up.

"The number of young children who are not fully vaccinated for preventable diseases has been steadily increasing over the last decade."

That's because what we have gotten is much worse than any so called preventable disease which served to create real immunization. Not just a suppression as vaccines represent that many times evolved inter something awful, including death..

Marsha McClelland

1:17 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Pleas everyone! If you beLIEve vaccines a good thing you must begin your own in depth research now. Please don't just buy what we are fed & parrot it. Our children deserve our taking the time to gather the facts on all sides & weigh them for ourselves.

I'm making my donation at Vaxtruth.org & so should everyone. These billboards are going up across the nation & is a global project. Dig deep people because this is our children we're talking about & if we don't save them, no one will. This site will educate parents on their rights & inform them of the real truth behind vaccines.

Another great source to learn from is http://greatmothersquestioningvaccines.com/

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Jack Baillargeron

1:17 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Part 1

Well I get scared when ever the Government say for the good of the people, as history has shown; there are circumstances when mandates must be done. Many of our children today and many adults are alive because of various health mandates. If the mandate is for a disease that can decimate a school system and our youngest citizens, that is one that needs to be done.

I do not support all vaccinations, only those preventing “communicable” especially from air born or casual contact health problem “not the Rick Perry Texas mandate which was wrong in my opinion” however ones that can result in widespread epidemic in closed environments such as schools, and serious health hazards that do severe damage to humans and possibility of death must be address aggressively. Many times it is too late once the problem has been identified in a school; it can be spread in as little as a day.

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Jack Baillargeron

1:18 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Part 2

Well there is a lot of talk of the correlation between autism and vaccinations, it is after all opinion, supposition and theoretical so far, with no definitive answer as of yet according the CDC and many other reputable medical facilities and scientist.

Some should read what started this, such as Typhoid Mary, polio, small pox, Pandemic’s, and many more. From the beginning of time till now, more have been saved in modern times then the deaths of the past. Last week the CDC has now reclassified many of the definitions of what autism even is. Many children are diagnosed with it and put needlessly on mental health drugs and should not be, according to this new CDC re-classification on the news last week. This in my opinion is more serious than a vaccination; too many are being put on drugs to solve symptoms or cover-up rather than the actual causes of medical problems.

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Tiverton Dad

1:19 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

When I was a kid in the 70s, I remember standing in line waiting for the school nurse to jab me with some vaccine or another. The most memorable was for TB, which had what seemed to be 100 little needles. The reason we have our current level of health and civilization is greatly due to vaccines. In this country, smallpox was mostly under control by the 1780s. Imagine a world in which this and other horrible diseases were still common.

As with most medical procedures, there is a risk, which is disclosed by physicians before administering vaccines. Parents need to make an informed decision about whether that risk is acceptable. As with most things in life, there is also a choice. The government CANNOT force parents to vaccinate their kids. But schools can refuse admission to kids who have not been vaccinated. The choice is whether you want your child to learn at school or at home.

It seems counter intuitive to me that we would allow a deadly poison to be injected without there being some risk. The science is still unclear in my opinion on whether there's a link between vaccinations and childhood learning disorders. But what is absolutely inarguable is that making the "moral" choice to abstain from vaccinations is becoming a serious public health risk.

http://yourlife.usatoday.com/health/medical/story/2011/06/Childhood-diseases-return-as-parents-refuse-vaccines/48414234/1

http://heartland.org/editorial/2011/12/23/parents-should-heed-ben-franklins-vaccination-story

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Patrick Thomas

1:37 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

The vaccine doesn't work and unvaccinated aren't to blame.

I have made the following compilation that many of you may find very useful: "A collection of mainstream news reports and studies exploding the whooping cough vaccine myth" -

http://www.dailypaul.com/167931/a-collection-of-mainstream-news-reports-and-studies-exploding-the-whooping-cough-vaccine-myth

Taken from my above collection, we have the recent mainstream news of a mainstream study that the vaccine is completely useless:

"Whooping cough vaccine falters after just 3 years, less protection than believed"

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/childhood-whooping-cough-vaccination-falters-3-years-small-150725679.html

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"Witt said that when he started the study he expected to see the illness concentrated in unvaccinated people. But more than 80 per cent of the children who developed whooping cough in Witt's study were fully vaccinated."

‎"I was disturbed to find maybe we had a little more confidence in the vaccine than it might deserve," said the lead researcher, Dr. David Witt.

"Did Poor Vaccine Response Contribute to California’s Whooping
Cough Outbreak?"

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/09/vaccine-response-pertussis/

"The greatest concern", Witt said, "is that the children who were presumed to be protected, but apparently were not, could have served as a transmitter of infection to others in their families and neighborhoods ..."

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Patrick Thomas

1:38 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Your vaccinated kids are bio-weapons - shedding their live viruses all over my unvaccinated kids.

Here's info direct from the label of Rota Teq Rotavirus vaccine: http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/r/rotateq/rotateq_pi.pdf

RotaTeq is a live, oral pentavalent vaccine that contains 5 live reassortant rotaviruses. In phase 3 studies, shedding was observed as early as 1 day and as late as 15 days after a dose. Caution is advised when considering whether to administer RotaTeq to individuals with immunodeficient close contacts such as: • Individuals with malignancies or who are otherwise immunocompromised; or Individuals receiving immunosuppressive therapy. Can potentially be transmitted to persons who have contact with the vaccine. The potential risk of transmission of vaccine virus should be weighed against the risk of acquiring and transmitting natural rotavirus.

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Patrick Thomas

1:39 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Anyone who tries to trash us for not vaccinating, ask them how they feed their kids or what they eat on a regular basis. Is it all Cokes and Count Chocula? Do they smoke and drink excessively? Have they had all THEIR adult vaccinations? (hypocritical that they then expect kids to be shot-up fully) My guess is that 95% of those people have their grocery buggies filled with Aunt Jemima Syrup, plain white bread and Mountain Dew. It's not just about infectious diseases. It's also about diabetes, cancer, asthma, crohn's disease, eczema and the mountain of other chronic diseases that kids are now suffering in EPIDEMIC levels.

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Patrick Thomas

1:40 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

I smell a rat. Why doesn't this article talk about how people should be consuming all 90-some-odd vitamins, minerals and amino acids in order to attain/retain their health? What about the consumption of live enzymes? What about getting plenty of sleep? What about reducing stress? What about getting exercise? What about breast feeding? What about the avoidance toxins and/or detoxing the body? What about the avoidance of Cokes and Count Chocula? Why is it always about vaccines, vaccines and more vaccines? Health does NOT come from the end of a needle.

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Patrick Thomas

1:43 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

CDC Mandatory Vaccine Schedule - 1983 vs 2008

Comparison of CDC Mandatory Vaccine Schedule
Children birth to six years (recommended month)

USA 1983

DTP (2)
OPV (2)
DTP (4)
OPV (4)
DTP (6)
MMR (15)
DTP (18)
OPV (18)
DTP (48)
OPV (48)

USA 2008

Influenza
(prenatal)
Hep B (birth)
Hep B (1)
DTaP (2)
Hib (2)
IPV (2)
PCV (2)
Rotavrus (2)
Hep B (4)
DTaP (4)
Hib (4)
IPV (4)
PCV (4)
Rotavirus (4)
Hep B (6)
DTaP (6)
Hib (6)
IPV (6)
PCV (6)
Influenza (6)
Rotavirus (6)
Hib (12)
MMR (12)
Varicella (12)
PCV (12)
Hep A (12)
DTaP (15)
Hep A (18)
Influenza (18)
Influenza (30)
Influenza (42)
MMR (48)
DTaP (48)
IPV (48)
Influenza (54)
Influenza (66)

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Nikki

2:19 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Could you PLEASE look at REAL STATISTICS before saying vaccines saved the world!!!! Real stats show us that these diseases were 95-98% ERADICATED BEFORE INTRODUCTION OF VACCINES!!!

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Tiverton Dad

3:06 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Really? You'll have to document that one. I don't believe that smallpox, diptheria, whooping cough, and a plethora of other infectious diseases were "95-98% eradicated before introduction of vaccines." History has shown a long and gradual development of vaccines, beginning with smallpox. As vaccines for other diseases were developed in the 19th and 20th century, these diseases were swiftly brought under control with effective vaccine distribution. Other diseases remain resistant to vaccination, such as leprosy. So, no, not all vaccinations are effective. Obviously many people have strong opinions about vaccines, but to suggest they are universally ineffective, dangerous, or conspiracy driven does disservice to an honest discussion of the issue. I certainly do not want to return to an age before vaccines when people suffered agonizing deaths from untreatable diseases, which seems to be the preference of some posters to this thread.

Here's a website about the history of vaccine from the College of Physicians of Philadelphia. http://www.historyofvaccines.org/

Marsha McClelland

2:50 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

"Vaccines and autism: a new scientific review"

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20049118-10391695.htm

The author, who Sharyl's report's about, is Helen Ratajczak. Former senior scientist at a pharmaceutical firm.

An astonishing fact exposed is Dr. Brian Strom who's served on the Institute of Medicine panels advising the government on vaccine safety admits he doesn't even know the ingredients in vaccines.

Another most interesting paragraph has to make one think of the good doctor, Wakefield;

"A number of independent scientists have said they've been subjected to orchestrated campaigns to discredit them when their research exposed vaccine safety issues, especially if it veered into the topic of autism. We asked Ratajczak how she came to research the controversial topic. She told us that for years while working in the pharmaceutical industry, she was restricted as to what she was allowed to publish. "I'm retired now," she told CBS News. "I can write what I want."

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Marsha McClelland

2:59 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Be sure to see the many educational & informative comments at CBS Investigates where Sharyl Attkisson shows her caliber as always. These comments are a gold mine of fact & evidence for any & all honest journalists & reporters to glean from.

Google her name along with Paul Offit to learn more. A LOT MORE!

Marsha McClelland

2:50 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

@ nptresident in saying;

"There is absolutely zero correlation between autism and vaccines. The doctor who made such correlation was caught in a lie."

The truth to the matter is the true criminal, not the good Dr. Wakefield, was recently indicted. He actually stole the CDC's research money & nary a word from media. They sure went along with the program where there was an orchestrated witch hunt against Wakefield by dragging his good name through the mud, though.

The real criminal, indicted, is Poul Thorsen who was the head scientist/researcher behind the Danish studies the villains, those with vested interests, hoped would put a final nail in the coffin of lies denying the connection of vaccines to autism. Not that autism is the only problem & worry.

This cover up has been holding children in harm's way in the name of greed & ignorance for far too long to be ignored or denied at this point.

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Tiverton Dad

3:56 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

"The decline in mortality rates was particularly sharp among children. This can be explained by the near elimination of deaths from infectious diseases, formerly the most common cause of death, since the young are most susceptible to infection. Weighing the various explanations for these mortality reductions, the authors see three phases. From the mid-18th century to the mid-19th century, improved nutrition and economic growth played a large role, as did emerging public health measures. From the mid-19th century to the early 20th century, the delivery of clean water, removal of waste, and advice about personal health practices all led to lower mortality rates, though urbanization had the opposite effect, due to high mortality rates in cities. Since the 1930s, mortality reductions have been driven primarily by medicine, first by vaccination and antibiotics and later by the expensive and intensive interventions that characterize modern medicine."

http://www.nber.org/aginghealth/spring06/w11963.html

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Patrick Thomas

4:20 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

BEYOND ANTIBIOTICS - By Lawrence Wilson, MD

http://www.drlwilson.com/Articles/antibiotics.htm

Excerpt:

In Beyond Antibiotics, the authors use graphs to trace the incidence of the major infectious diseases from 1900 to 1973. The diseases include measles, scarlet fever, tuberculosis, typhoid fever, pneumonia, influenza, whooping cough, diphtheria and polio. All were in decline for several decades before the introduction of antibiotics or vaccines.

After reviewing the data, researchers John McKinlay and Sonja McKinlay at Boston University concluded that ".. at most, 3.5% of the total decline in mortality since 1900 could be ascribed to medical measures introduced for the diseases considered here". Improved nutrition and improved sanitation and hygiene were far more important than the 'wonder drugs' or vaccines to reduce these diseases.

Marsha McClelland

5:57 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Are you who back vaccines aware that Assembly Bill 499 was recently signed in California by Governor Jerry Brown?

Look into it because it means they are taking parental rights away & will be vaccinating children behind the backs of parents. The legal ramifications are many including how will parents know what happened if their child is struck with injury or death? And who will be financially responsible?

They will begin with the known dangerous & deadly HPV vaccine allowing children as young as 12 to be the decision maker. Then there's the flu shots that are proven ineffective & toxic.

Laws passed in California are known to then go to our other states so watch your children close.

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Marsha McClelland

5:57 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Here's the latest, not the current, adverse events due to the HPV vaccine from months ago. The stats should soon be updated.

These statistics are shocking & unacceptable due to this being such a new drug on the market which was rushed & never had time to study.

Vaers link;

http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/index.php

Disabled = 760 children
Deaths = 104
Did Not Recover = 4,616
Abnormal Pap Smear = 387
Cervical Dysplasia = 144
Cervical Cancer = 41
Life Threatening = 440
Emergency Room Visit = 8,926
Hopitalized = 23,388
Ext. Hospital Stay = 199
Adverse Events = 23,338

This drug is still in the experimental stage & it's estimated these reports to Vaers are only, 10%. Some estimates state it's closer to 1% with all the doctors & parents not reporting.

They recently targeted our boys & there have already been 3 deaths as told in this article.

http://healthfreedoms.org/2011/09/19/3-girls-dead-others-hospitalized-after-gardasil-hpv-vaccine/

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Marsha McClelland

5:58 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Many don't even realize Acid Reflux, Acne, ALS, Alzheimer's, Arthritis, ASD, Asthma, Autism, Cancer, Cardiac Disease, Celiac Disease, Central Auditory Processing Disorder, Cerebral Palsy, Crohn’s, Depression, Early puberty, Eczema, Environmental Allergies, Eosinophilic Esophagitis, Epilepsy, Food Allergies, Guillain-Barre Syndrome, IDDM, Immune (or idiopathic) thrombocytopenia purpura,
Infant Mortality, Lupus Erythematosus, Lyme, Mitochondrial Dysfunction, MS, childhood & adult, Obesity, Renal Disease,
Rheumatism, Sensory Integration Disorder, Seizures, Sudden Infant Death, Thyroid conditions, Tics, Tourette, Ulcerative Colitis, etcetera, are actually, many times are vaccine damage.

So much toll has been taken & no one knows where these toxic shots or HPV vaccine experiments will lead in the lives of so many unfortunate guinea pigs & their, unsuspecting, parents later in life up their roads.

Portsmouth Citizen

6:06 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

I find it shocking to see that 59% of people on this Patch site don't believe in vaccines.

Talk to your grand-parents about polio. It was pretty terrible, from what I read. Polio was eradicated in the US because of a national coordinated vaccination program.

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Marsha McClelland

7:34 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Portsmouth you should look up 'the polio myth' to begin your research. Your key words are "from what I read" That's where that saying comes in that "you shouldn't believe everything you read."

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nptresident

9:06 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Take a look at pictures of people with polio in iron lungs. Take a look at people covered with measles. If you think vaccines did not eradicate that horrible diseases you are living in a fantasy world.

Marsha McClelland

6:16 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Sorry. Another matter you need to know, especially nptresident, about just hit my email.

"Wakefield sues BMJ over MMR articles by Clare Dyer BMJ"

http://www.omsj.org/cases/Wakefield/Wakefield%20Sues%2024Jan2012.pdf

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J. Lane McMahon

10:57 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Marsha,
Did you actually read the article? His co-authors pulled all support for the study. do a little more research, where the co-authors admit that he dupped them.
I would also like to point out that there are over 120 independent studies (not paid for by big pharma) that say his results we BS.

If you choose to base your opinions on one source of information, so be it, but don't expect the rest of us to do it. Look at REAL medical sites....not the ones made by people looking to blame someone else for their childs condition.

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Marsha McClelland

12:26 am on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

J. Lane McMahon. Yes i read quite well & it is you who is in error. i suggest you pay closer attention by rereading what is written in this thread concerning Dr. Andrew Wakefield.as you evidently have not as of yet.

And could you show us those 120 studies please. If you have any not backed by the pHARMa industry I would be interested in those.

Giordano Bruno

6:49 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

No, schools should not mandate vaccinations. If you choose to vaccinate, please inform yourself as much as possible regarding the reason for and possible side effects of a particular vaccine. One of our children was adversely affected as a result of a vaccine. It's apparent in photos and the personality of the child before and after the vaccine. A parent knows. It manifested itself in learning disabilities and the need for IEPs and special tutors. This same child is now a sophomore in college and on the Dean's List.
As I said inform yourself. I would recommend against multiple vaccines in one shot.
Have them done individually at different times, and only the ones you feel are absolutely necessary.

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Bruce Vanicek

7:03 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

It gives my heart joy to see more and more people armed with the truth about vaccines! The only recourse pharma, the aap, and our public health agencies have is to throw more money at their public relations campaigns. Our public health agencies have been captured by the pharmaceutical industry. My hope is that someday we will get our public health agencies back and they can help us focus on how to make our chronically ill children better. Keep up the good work and know this: AUTISM IS TREATABLE AND RECOVERY IS POSSIBLE!

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J. Lane McMahon

11:01 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Bruce,
Thimersol is has been removed or reduced to almost nothing in all vaccinations given in the US, yet the rate of diagnosed autism and ASD continues to rise....Why?

In 1999 Japan stopped using MMR, yet their autism rates remained the same....and in some areas actually rose.

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Marsha McClelland

12:28 am on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

Because J it was not removed. It is in many as preservatives & added together can be harmful & even deadly.

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Bruce Vanicek

4:33 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

J. Lane - about removal of thimerosal and autism rates : In 1999, the CDC recommended removal of thimerosal "as soon as possible". They did not recall any vaccines. They allowed the remaining thimerosal containing vaccines to remain in the marketplace and allowed their use. It is hard to confirm, but the remaining inventory took until between 2002 and 2004 to go through. About 2003, the CDC began to recommend the flu shot with the full amount (25 micrograms) of mercury and said pregnant women and babies after 6 months old should receive this shot. About 65 percent of flu shots today still contain this full amount of mercury. Also, the H1N1 vaccine also contained this full amount of mercury. For perspective, consider this: drinking water needs to contain less than 2 ppb mercury to be considered safe; anything containing 200 ppb mercury is considered toxic waste; and the flu shot with 25 micrograms of mercury contains 50,000 ppb mercury.

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J. Lane McMahon

4:55 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

Bruce,
Thimersol has been used since the 1930's in the US. This is fact. Yet, starting with the year 1988, the autism rates in the US have risen 4 fold. Even in countries such as Japan, where Thimersol was completely abandoned, the autism rates held steady or continued to climb. How do you explain this if Thimersol is the cause?

Scott Clark

7:29 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Freedom of speech in action.

This is all about personal belief. Anything printed by a scientist, mandated by the government, sponsored by a large corporation, or yelled by some random guy on the street is immediately suspect. It's too easy to distrust facts because the media prefers to foster controversy controversy than actually get to the facts. And even if they did try to report facts, they have made so many missteps that nobody trusts them either.

At the same time, it's far to easy to take the "they're out to get you" approach against everything. Do as much research as you can to make an *informed* judgement. Recognizing, of course, that unless you're an unbiased biomedical scientist, it is going to be an opinion no matter how you slice it :)

I would only ask that if you think you child could be carrying a contagion, and you're against using the specific vaccine for that disease for reasons important to you, keep your child home. As much as vaccinated is argued as a personal decision, there is a social responsibility component as well.

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J. Lane McMahon

10:49 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Even though the FDA and CDC concluded that thimerosal was safe for infants, they feared that vaccines containing thimerosal would be perceived as unsafe by the public. Therefore, in 1999, the CDC recommended that thimerosal be removed from vaccines as quickly and efficiently as possible.

Since the thimerosal was removed from vaccines, autism rates have NOT decreased, but increased.

Today, all vaccines on the recommended childhood immunization schedule appear in either a thimerosal-free form or a form of thimerosal that is reduced by greater than 95 percent.

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Marsha McClelland

12:47 am on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

It's not only the thimerosal in vaccines that's toxic & you must do the real research J. Lane McMahon for the children's sakes. And it was never removed. It was reduced as the CDC's own website states >>

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/thimerosal/index.html

Vaccines have very much been increased in numbers through the years so thimerosal added up all together goes without saying what harm can occur. Logic & common sense dictates the facts & when we hear uninformed people who buy the bull & parrot that it has been removed it infuriates those of us who know the truth.

It also infuriates us to see at that CDC link this bogus deception that is just not true>>>

"There is no convincing evidence of harm caused by the low doses of thimerosal in vaccines, except for minor reactions like redness and swelling at the injection site."

The real & shameful evidence is the many child victims this crime against humanity is responsible for. Truth's out & it's not going back in the box. The cover up has come to its end.

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J. Lane McMahon

12:54 am on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

Marsha,
Since you know the truth, answer me this. Why, after Japan stopped using MMR in 1999, did the autism rate NOT go down?

Show me 1 study that proves what you say. Just 1....and I do mean a real study. Not one conducted on 12 cherry picked children that was later completely discredited. You know, one where the doctor was not a complete lying fraud, who has since lost his medical lic.
You claim to know this "Truth", but lets be honest, all you have to back it up is conjecture and a bunch of conspiracy websites. Show me the science! Otherwise you are no better than ex-Dr. Wakefield.

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Bruce Vanicek

4:51 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

J. Lane - please read above this post for the first part of my answer to your question about the removal of thimerosal and autism rates. You need to know this: thimerosal has NEVER been safety tested by the FDA. It was first "safety tested" by Eli Lily in the late 1930's when the FDA did not exist and was later grandfathered in when the FDA was created. The "safety test" was woefully inadequate as documented in the book Evidence of Harm by David Kirby. If you would like a copy, I would be glad to provide you with one. Also, when thimerosal was reduced to trace amounts in vaccines (note: the CDC or FDA has never determined what these "trace" amounts should be or are in the current vaccines), they also increased the amount of aluminum. Aluminum (usually in the form of aluminum hydroxide) is used in vaccines as an adjuvant to stimulate the immune system and is also a neurotoxin. Aluminum has also never been safety tested. When two toxins such as mercury and aluminum are present together, they can create synergistic effects which makes them more toxic than each added together (ie 1+1=3). These two compounds have also never been safety tested when they are both present in a vaccine. Lastly, as far as autism rates are concerned, the CDC last measured the autism rate using a 1996 birth cohort (kids born in 1996). I have no idea why they have not measured it since and this is just one more item to add to the list of how our public health agencies have failed our children.

Linda Tock

1:59 am on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

Ignore Patrick, Marsha and Shawn.

Not only could they not find Barrington RI on a map (not being from RI), they're known to 'post bomb' any vaccination site/poll they can find on the internet. It's their M.O to post misinformation (and often flat out lies) regarding vaccines and their efficacy.

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Patrick Thomas

10:35 am on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

Linda Tock, Can you site a specific example of any information that Shawn, Marsha or myself have posted which is "misinformation (and often flat out lies) regarding vaccines and their efficacy."? Speaking for myself, I posted nothing but mainstream news stories and mainstream studies regarding whooping cough. I also posted a comparison of the 1983 vs 2008 vaccine schedule. How much of that is "misinformation" or "lies"? Do you have a problem with people reading mainstream news stories, studies and information comparing vaccine schedules? It's making your side look bad when you tell people "don't look over there - they are the BAD ones."

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Linda Tock

2:56 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

It's smoke and mirrors, Patrick.

You want to talk about mortality - but you ignore MORBIDITY. I wonder why that is? Doesn't suit your agenda?

You link to the 'Daily Paul' for repetitious newsfeeds and consider that proof? Sorry - I don't buy it. Bring some peer-reviewed sound science to the table.

Marsha loves to link to VAERS. The numbers look scary until you start reading through them - and find out that it is, again, smoke and mirrors.

Do I really need to comment on the 'indoctrination theory' Shawn holds? I don't think so.

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Patrick Thomas

3:19 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

Regarding mortality and morbidity, most governments didn't keep morbidity rates. However, when they DID, the morbidity dropped-like-a-rock just like the mortality rates. Case in point - Measles INCIDENCE rates – Canada: http://tinyurl.com/6q9wczt
Canada DROPPED-IT-LIKE-IT-WAS-HOT with measles morbidity as well - LONG before the vaccine hit the market.

Regarding the Daily Paul being used to compile information - SO WHAT? It's just a convenient place to store information for free. I am the one who compiled all of that information into one convenient spot. You are either misunderstanding the concept of storage or you are purposefully throwing out a red herring to keep the populace confused from the real issues.

AJMW

8:21 am on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

I think whats clear about the controversy surrounding vaccines is that the mass of information, media publications, books etc.. are all heavily slanted and don't really allow for unbiased educated decision making since the producers of the information have an agenda and a very engaged and emotionally charged audience as seen by the small selection above. If it's Pharma or the conventional medical industry as a whole they compell the use of vaccines and admonish parents for making alternative choices citing public health hazzards, if it's the "Natural" media or alternative practioners they make parents feel guilty for potentially jeapordizing the future health and well being of their children and contributing to an "epidemic" of autism, ADD, ADHD etc... and each faction can yield compelling arguments, spew statistics, cite studies and examples tugs on the heart strings of those of us making decisions or touched by the illness of a child that warrants explanation. It's hard to legistlate that which we can't "know" and frequently things are great until we find out, scientifically, that the science didn't tell the whole story- and sometimes science takes generations to prove itself or alternatively be disproven- lab rats and monkeys can only take us so far. Virus and bacteria will continue to thrive and mutate, mans largest enemy is the smallest particle. There is no clear encompassing "right", choice as a parent is paramount, one only hopes it can be done with a clear head.

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Patrick Thomas

3:31 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

Brand new news story proving the whooping cough vaccine is a complete failure and that the unvaccinated have a BIG, BIG apology awaiting them very soon due to all the lies being spread about them. Take a look at the latest headline:

"Three New Whooping Cough Cases Reported"

http://m.nbcsandiego.com/nbcsandiego/db_276463/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=NOwgXHKo

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San Diego County has three new cases of whooping cough bringing the total number of cases this year to 405.

Health experts said a 13-year-old Innovation Middle School student contracted pertussis even though the teenager was up-to-date with immunizations.

A 3-year-old student who was up-to-date with immunizations contracted pertussis. The child attends Coast Kids Preschool in Carlsbad.

Also, a 6-year-old student at Willow Elementary in San Ysidro reported having whooping cough. The child was due for another immunication according to the health department. (mostly vaccinated with the failed vaccine....awwwww)
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I will be adding the above failure to the following compilation of whooping cough vaccine failures and mainstream studies which prove the vaccine is a failure. Did I mention yet that the vaccine is a failure?

"A collection of mainstream news reports and studies exploding the whooping cough vaccine myth"

http://www.dailypaul.com/167931/a-collection-of-mainstream-news-reports-and-studies-exploding-the-whooping-cough-vaccine-myth

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J. Lane McMahon

3:48 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

Uh....it would seem that you left part out....
About 20 percent of those vaccinated can still contract whooping cough, but their symptoms are far less severe, according to health officials.

"Although there is a small chance a vaccinated child may still get pertussis, symptoms are likely to be milder compared to an unvaccinated child,” McDonald said

"(mostly vaccinated with the failed vaccine....awwwww)" Not part of the original article

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Patrick Thomas

4:14 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

Wait a minute - can you or any health "official" or "expert" show us all out here any PROOF as to the efficacy of this vaccine - AND - that the vaccine can somehow lessen the severity of the whooping cough? I have seen it stated numerous times in news articles that the vaccine can lessen the effects of pertussis. But, as usual, these "officials" state that claim with no backing. Additionally, the overwhelming majority of those who contact whooping cough have been fully or mostly vaccinated. It is a complete lie that the unvaccinated are somehow to blame for outbreaks. These "officials" are engaging in libel and slander against the unvaccinated when the overwhelming mainstream PROOF with studies and news articles point to just the opposite as being the case.

Again, please provide proof of your claims besides just a quote from some "official" or "expert".

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J. Lane McMahon

4:20 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

Patrick, I would say the same to you....all you quote in Paul's website....show me STUDIES......not news articles, real scientific proof....

Quote from you:
"overwhelming mainstream PROOF with studies and news articles point to just the opposite as being the case. Again, please provide proof of your claims besides just a quote from some "official" or "expert"
Here, you clearly state that you do not believe what experts say. Is it more likely that you don't believe experts that don't tell you what you want to hear?

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Patrick Thomas

4:43 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

Oh, and by the way, for there to be PROOF that the vaccine lessens the severity of the whooping cough, there would have to be a complete study of the vaccinated vs the non-vaccinated.

Ahem, ummmmmm, that study hasn't been done because "it would be an unethical study" according to the "experts" in charge of our lives.

Therefore, it's an obvious lie, because if they claim such a study would be "unethical", then how can they possibly know that the vaccines lessens the severity?

They have caught themselves in an obvious lie.

Again, PLEASE explain to us all how they can determine that the vaccine lessens the severity without conducting a vaccinated vs non-vaccinated study of which they refuse to conduct such a study because it's "unethical"?

Patrick Thomas

4:29 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

Grand Island has whooping cough outbreak

http://www.theindependent.com/articles/2011/03/12/news/local/13050801.txt

All three cases were laboratory-confirmed. All three children were current on vaccines, Vap said. "They all have five doses (of pertussis vaccine), so we are not exactly sure why they contracted the disease," Vap said.

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Mainstream study out of the Netherlands:

Reemergence of Pertussis in the
Highly Vaccinated Population of
the Netherlands: Observations on
Surveillance Data

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2640897/pdf/10905967.pdf

"The increase in pertussis incidence was higher among vaccinated than among unvaccinated persons of all ages."

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Patrick Thomas

4:31 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

Whooping cough strain now immune to vaccine

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/whooping-cough-strain-now-immune-to-vaccine/story-e6freuy9-1225828959714

The bacteria that causes whooping cough has mutated, eroding the protection provided by the vaccine now given to children, scientists warned yesterday.

Our findings suggest that the use of the acellular vaccine may be one factor contributing to these genetic changes."

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CDC Document

Pertussis Infection in Fully Vaccinated Children in Day-Care Centers, Israel

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol6no5/srugo.htm

Vaccinated children may be asymptomatic reservoirs for infection.

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Patrick Thomas

4:34 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

Those who have natural immunity enjoy a much longer period of being immune than those vaccinated:

Estimating the duration of pertussis immunity using epidemiological signatures.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19876392

Abstract

Case notifications of pertussis have shown an increase in a number of countries with high rates of routine pediatric immunization. This has led to significant public health concerns over a possible pertussis re-emergence. A leading proposed explanation for the observed increase in incidence is the loss of immunity to pertussis, which is known to occur after both natural infection and vaccination. Little is known, however, about the typical duration of immunity and its epidemiological implications. Here, we analyze a simple mathematical model, exploring specifically the inter-epidemic period and fade-out frequency. These predictions are then contrasted with detailed incidence data for England and Wales. We find model output to be most sensitive to assumptions concerning naturally acquired immunity, which allows us to estimate the average duration of immunity. Our results support a period of natural immunity that is, on average, long-lasting (at least 30 years) but inherently variable.

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Patrick Thomas

4:35 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

Should Adults Receive a Booster Vaccination for Pertussis?

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/540240

Although intuitively we suspect that immunizing adults will prevent or reduce transmission to infants, there is no conclusive evidence that this is true.
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Whooping cough vaccine not as powerful as thought

http://www.ajc.com/health/content/metro/stories/2009/03/22/whooping_cough_vaccine.html

Of the 18 students in the recent Cobb cluster, 17 were properly immunized with five doses of DTaP vaccine,

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Patrick Thomas

4:37 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

Whooping Cough Cases Triple in Suffolk County -
There are already 179 reported cases in the county

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Whooping-Cough-Triple-Suffolk-County-Long-Island-132659533.html?fb_comment_id=fbc_10150370350412500_19430267_10150380172037500#fb6dbdf11bd1de

According to Suffolk health officials, all those affected had been immunized in the past....

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News article admits unvaccinated not to blame

Whooping cough outbreak hits Merrimack schools

http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/news/940149-196/whooping-cough-outbreak-hits-merrimack-schools.html

(Excerpt): Adamski said there was no indication that a lack of vaccines played a role in the Merrimack outbreak.

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Linda Tock

5:08 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

For your first link in Suffolk County, I'll just say, "Immunized in the past" != current on their immunizations

For your second claim, especially the excerpt... what was actually said, " but that does not appear to be a major part of the situation here"

What you've claimed as an excerpt does not exist in that article

Nice cherry picking there, Patrick.

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J L R

6:17 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

I am PRO, SAFE, individualized vaccination schedule.

I have yet to see a Pedi get in-depth family history at a 1st well baby visit. Without a family history how would the Dr know what kind of medical problems are in the family that may impact on how a child could react to a vaccine?

If I had another child I would vaccinate but I would o do it safely! For example I would NOT give my infant the HEP B vaccine since I’m not expecting my infant to be sexually active or using IV drugs. I also wouldn’t vaccinate while breast feeding since the baby would be getting all of my immunity from the diseases that I had as a child like mumps, chicken pox, etc…I’d also make damn sure my Pedi knew about all of my and mu husband's family history

There should be no shame in parents being cautious when it comes to their child’s health. If a Dr suggested a specific treatment if your child had cancer or some other disease or disorder would you jump right in and say “ok doc, whatever you want…” or would you take your time and do some homework and make decisions based specifically on what is based for your child and their individual situation?
Substitute the word medication for vaccination. For example would you be ok with forced medication for all children with ADD?

Most of us are horrified by the thought of forced vaccinations because parents should have the right to make health decisions for their children based on their individual child and family history.

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Distant Cousin

7:04 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

JLR,
You wrote, "For example I would NOT give my infant the HEP B vaccine since I’m not expecting my infant to be sexually active or using IV drugs." I am not an expert in any of this this by any measure, but I want to ask a question. I thought they give the babies the HEP B vaccine to prevent against the Mom who might have undiagnosed HEP B. Do you know if that is why? Are there significant medical risks to a baby from an HEP B vaccination that have been acknowledged by any peer reviewed reports? Are there any such risks identified in "main stream" publications?

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Linda Tock

7:16 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

JLR if you have a medical condition/allergy which contraindicates the vaccine, you wouldn't be vaccinated.

As far as Hep B - it can and has been transferred horizontally in saliva - so unless you've had everyone in your family, daycare, school, etc tested, there's always a risk to your child. The younger you are when you contract Hep B, the more likely you are to have liver disease or cancer later in life.

Distant Cousin

7:12 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012

I'm curious about the views of the people who have expressed such distrust of the Government, medical profession, and "Big Pharma." Do you have similar skepticism about the Government's prohibition of marijuana, or it's reasons why we had to invade Iraq? I guess I'm wondering if your doubts extend to all things the Government does or just vaccinations. If not, can you tell me why it is limited to vaccines? Thanks in advance for any civil and honest responses.

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Bruce Vanicek

7:51 am on Thursday, January 26, 2012

My son was diagnosed with autism at 4 years old. In the past 8 years my wife and I have learned a tremendous amount about vaccines and autism. We are extremely fortunate in that by biomedically treating the cause of his underlying autism symptoms, we have been able to recover him from autism. Even with realizing the best possible outcome for my son, autism has taken a tremendous toll on our family. My son received all his recommended vaccines. We did what we were told. We never questioned if the vaccines were safe. We were wrong. I take no pleasure in passing on the truth I have come to learn about vaccines. While many people like to make this issue complicated, I try to simplify it. Thimerosal in vaccines has never been safety tested (see above posts). I understand why they do not want to believe me. It is too horrific to accept that we are responsible for the current epidemic of chronic disease among our children today. The entire issue is not as simple as mercury does or does not cause autism. But, I focus on this because if the CDC wanted to quiet people like me, they would simply contract with the FDA to run thimerosal through their current safety testing protocol. If they cannot do this simple thing, how can I trust the rest of the vaccine schedule. I pass along the information I have learned because, unfortunately, parents need to educate themselves and make these decisions because the medical profession can no longer be trusted to do so.

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Linda Tock

8:00 am on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Bruce, Thimerosal was removed from nearly all childhood vaccines. The only 'trace' amounts left are measured in micrograms - your child gets more mercury from eating a piece of fish. With the exception of the flu shot, every other childhood vaccine can be found in a non-thimerosal containing dose.

So, why hasn't the prevalence of autism been reduced, now that the thimerosal is gone? Maybe because the thimerosal wasn't to blame?

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Distant Cousin

9:40 am on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Patrick, Bruce, JLR, and others who do not trust the Govt, medical profession, etc. about vaccines. Please answer the question I asked above which I posted below. It is obvious that the anti-vaccine posters here are very passionate in their distrust of govt. Does that extend to other topics? If not, why not? Please reply; the discussion might cause all of us to think about our beliefs about govt, whatever they are.

I'm curious about the views of the people who have expressed such distrust of the Government, medical profession, and "Big Pharma." Do you have similar skepticism about the Government's prohibition of marijuana, or it's reasons why we had to invade Iraq? I guess I'm wondering if your doubts extend to all things the Government does or just vaccinations. If not, can you tell me why it is limited to vaccines? Thanks in advance for any civil and honest responses.

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Patrick Thomas

11:05 am on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Distant Cousin,

Speaking for myself, I have a tremendous distrust of our government, especially since the Constitution has been trashed and criminals have taken over. Our founding fathers and mothers forged a system whereby the Constitution chained the government down (especially the federal government) from overtaking every arena of our lives.

I have compiled the following information (yes, stored at the Daily Paul) that's a collection of mainstream news stories of why we should not trust the government and pharma regarding our health:

"Can the government and pharm empire be trusted? (A compilation of conflicts-of-interest and unethical trials)"

http://www.dailypaul.com/176546/can-the-government-and-pharm-empire-be-trusted

Excerpt from mainstream news article out of Britain:

"Millions were in germ war tests - Much of Britain was exposed to bacteria sprayed in secret trials"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience?fb=native&CMP=FBCNETTXT9038

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The Ministry of Defence turned large parts of the country into a giant laboratory to conduct a series of secret germ warfare tests on the public.

A government report just released provides for the first time a comprehensive official history of Britain's biological weapons trials between 1940 and 1979.

Many of these tests involved releasing potentially dangerous chemicals and micro-organisms over vast swaths of the population without the public being told.

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Distant Cousin

11:25 am on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Patrick,
Thank you so much for your reply. Do you find that there are any exceptions to your distrust of government? I'm curious because I often examine my own views on various topics to try and identify inconsistencies or overall consistent patterns. I think such self-examination helps me to avoid saying things like "Get the Government's hands off my Medicare." I think it also forces me to test and sometimes revise my views, always a good thing. Are there any areas where you do trust the govt?
Thanks again for your reply.

jane1962

5:22 am on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Vaccines should be required by all public shcools.

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Marsha McClelland

9:09 am on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Linda you need to look back through this thread to see all the facts & evidence already presented. You'll learn much including thimerosal is still in many vaccines. The CDC states this right on their website you'll see. The CDC adds that it's safe but that's not true because common sense dictates it couldn't be. With so many vaccines given to children now a days that toxin is multiplied & who's to say even a tiny bit wouldn't be harmful or even deadly to certain children? The science is on our side & the proof is in the many child victims as well as older people & will no longer be overlooked. We the parents & citizens of the world will be seeing to that.

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Linda Tock

10:37 am on Thursday, January 26, 2012

No, Marsha the science isn't on your side.

The amount of mercury you receive from eating fish is orders of magnitude higher than any vaccine. Dose + exposure = effect.

Common sense != logic or science. You're using a deliberate appeal to emotion instead of facts and figures.

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Patrick Thomas

10:50 am on Thursday, January 26, 2012

I would like to point out that, although mercury is a dangerous neurotoxin, and is still contained in many vaccines, it's not the only culprit in causing autism. (It's not just about autism, either. There are countless other chronic conditions vaccines are causing). We still have our dear friend, ALUMINUM, that's also in vaccines. Just so happens, I have some mainstream studies linking aluminum to autism:

"Do aluminum vaccine adjuvants contribute to the rising prevalence of autism?"

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0162013411002212

Abstract

Autism spectrum disorders (ASD) are serious multisystem developmental disorders and an urgent global public health concern. Dysfunctional immunity and impaired brain function are core deficits in ASD. Aluminum (Al), the most commonly used vaccine adjuvant, is a demonstrated neurotoxin and a strong immune stimulator. Hence, adjuvant Al has the potential to induce neuroimmune disorders. When assessing adjuvant toxicity in children, two key points ought to be considered: (i) children should not be viewed as “small adults” as their unique physiology makes them much more vulnerable to toxic insults; and (ii) if exposure to Al from only few vaccines can lead to cognitive impairment and autoimmunity in adults, is it unreasonable to question whether the current pediatric schedules, often containing 18 Al adjuvanted vaccines, are safe for children? (continued below)....

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Patrick Thomas

10:52 am on Thursday, January 26, 2012

(continued from above):

By applying Hill's criteria for establishing causality between exposure and outcome we investigated whether exposure to Al from vaccines could be contributing to the rise in ASD prevalence in the Western world. Our results show that: (i) children from countries with the highest ASD prevalence appear to have the highest exposure to Al from vaccines; (ii) the increase in exposure to Al adjuvants significantly correlates with the increase in ASD prevalence in the United States observed over the last two decades (Pearson r = 0.92, p < 0.0001); and (iii) a significant correlation exists between the amounts of Al administered to preschool children and the current prevalence of ASD in seven Western countries, particularly at 3–4 months of age (Pearson r = 0.89–0.94, p = 0.0018–0.0248). The application of the Hill's criteria to these data indicates that the correlation between Al in vaccines and ASD may be causal. Because children represent a fraction of the population most at risk for complications following exposure to Al, a more rigorous evaluation of Al adjuvant safety seems warranted.

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Patrick Thomas

10:55 am on Thursday, January 26, 2012

"Long-term follow-up of cognitive dysfunction in patients with aluminum hydroxide-induced macrophagic myofasciitis (MMF)"

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0162013411002194

Abstract

Macrophagic myofasciitis (MMF) is characterized by specific muscle lesions assessing long-term persistence of aluminum hydroxide within macrophages at the site of previous immunization. Affected patients are middle-aged adults, mainly presenting with diffuse arthromyalgias, chronic fatigue, and cognitive dysfunction. Representative features of MMF-associated cognitive dysfunction (MACD) include (i) dysexecutive syndrome; (i) visual memory; (iii) left ear extinction at dichotic listening test. In present study we retrospectively evaluated the progression of MACD in 30 MMF patients. Most patients fulfilled criteria for non-amnestic/dysexecutive mild cognitive impairment, even if some cognitive deficits seemed unusually severe. MACD remained stable over time, although dysexecutive syndrome tended to worsen. Long-term follow-up of a subset of patients with 3 or 4 consecutive neuropsychological evaluations confirmed the stability of MACD with time, despite marked fluctuations.

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Linda Tock

11:39 am on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Oh yes, the 'Famous' Shaw 'study'.

Where to begin?

"By applying Hill's criteria for establishing causality between exposure and outcome.." is the first fail. Correlation != causation. They further bumble their way through the Bradford Hill Criteria by attempting to assert that a single study (and a poorly performed one) gives 'strength' and 'consistency' - it does not.

Their 'statistical' analysis is anything but: plotting the min, mean and max and then a simple regression line? Ecological Fallacy.

Say it again, Ecological Fallacy.

No control for birth cohort.
Ignoring the relevant confounders.
Calculating r as opposed to r^2.

These are things high schoolers do, not 'scientists' who wish to publish and not be laughed at by other scientists.

This 'study' should never have made it to print.

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Patrick Thomas

11:51 am on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Linda Tock,

Let's break this down into simple terms.

We do not want to inject our kids with these known neurotoxins.

PERIOD.

You act like it's completely insane to question whether or not these substances could possibly have any adverse effects.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

Don't you think it would be prudent for parents to abstain from shooting their kids up with these KNOWN neurotoxins until it's been proven 100% that they are safe?

HAHAHA, did you catch the total insanity of the question I just posed? How can known neurotoxins be proved 100% safe?

I cannot believe this conversation is even happening.

You know, sometimes the answers are simple. The issue of vaccines is one of those cases.

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Distant Cousin

12:29 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Patrick, If I have not said it before let me say it now: I do not have any strong opinions on this, but I think you over state your case when you say this issue is "simple." You seem to demand 100% proof of safety before vaccines are mandated for anything. First of all, there is virtually never an issue subject to 100% certainty. If there were no risks to the public, you would have the right as an individual to say the proof is not 100% so I won't vaccinate my kids. But there are risks to the public from people who refuse some vaccinations. Let me offer polio as an example and limit our discussion to that for a moment. Someone has to balance whatever risks there are to the public from people not vaccinated against polio with the risks associated with having the vaccine. Let me pose an admittedly extreme example: What if there were a .00000000000001 chance of your child dying from receiving the polio vaccine and a .9999999999999999 chance that all your child's classmates would die if your child did not get it? I assume you agree that society could require your child to get the vaccine. Since there's a dispute about the real numbers, who should decide how to balance this? Shouldn't it be the government? Who would you propose decide in my polio hypo?

Chris Parsley

10:04 am on Thursday, January 26, 2012

J Lane, Thimerosol has been in use since 1931, you are correct. However, do you know when the first case of autism was written about in a book by a well known doctor of the time. The book was written in 1948 and the subject of the book was a new disease called autism. The book was centered around the first case study found in a child born in 1931. More coincidences I suppose? But thimerisol is only one of the many harmful toxins used in vaccinations. As far as “according to health officials” part, I do not put much weight in what “health officials” say. These are the very people that told me that nine injections in one day was perfectly safe for my child. He changed that day and has never been the same since. So I find it hard to believe anyone making a profit in this industry any longer. My child lives with this everyday because a “health official” said something was safe. I used to look up to these guys like they were “Gods”, much like you do, until my child was injured by their profound knowledge.

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J. Lane McMahon

12:07 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Try reading the book you mention. The first case "diagnosed" was Donald T. Born in Forest, Mississippi, 1935. The diagnosis was published in a 1943 medical journal. The reason this is important, is because all previous cases that presented the same symptoms were typically given the diagnosis of retardation or schizophrenia, as was the custom from 1900 through the 1940's.

Staci McIntosh

10:32 am on Thursday, January 26, 2012

They should not be forced! Do a little digging around and you will find the children that were vaccinated against the disease got it more than the children that didn't get vaccinated! Do your research on all vaccines. Make sure you aren't reading studies and research funded by the very pharmaceautical companies that funded them, either.

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J. Lane McMahon

11:54 am on Thursday, January 26, 2012

POST PROOF. A link to a real study that shows what you say. Not a newspaper article and not a link to a tin-foil hat website...show me the real science behind your statement.

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Patrick Thomas

1:24 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Let me boil this down for all to easily understand:

We do not trust the government and pharm empire to take care of our health and our immune systems. They have been caught lying and murdering innocent people countless times. Do we trust Ted Bundy? No, we do NOT trust Ted Bundy and his minions.

Here is just ONE example out of thousands which should hammer this point home:

"Millions were in germ war tests - Much of Britain was exposed to bacteria sprayed in secret trials"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience?fb=native&CMP=FBCNETTXT9038

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Sunday 21 April 2002 05.23 EDT

The Ministry of Defence turned large parts of the country into a giant laboratory to conduct a series of secret germ warfare tests on the public.

A government report just released provides for the first time a comprehensive official history of Britain's biological weapons trials between 1940 and 1979.

Many of these tests involved releasing potentially dangerous chemicals and micro-organisms over vast swaths of the population without the public being told.

While details of some secret trials have emerged in recent years, the 60-page report reveals new information about more than 100 covert experiments.

The report reveals that military personnel were briefed to tell any 'inquisitive inquirer' the trials were part of research projects into weather and air pollution.

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Any questions?

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J. Lane McMahon

1:27 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Patrick,
This has nothing to do with what we are talking about. Re-adjust your tin foil hat and come back to the discussion.

And I really don't care if you trust the BRITISH government.

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Patrick Thomas

1:38 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Are you serious? So you are saying we should trust our western governments (British, German, American, Canadian - whatever) with vaccines, even though they are busily carrying-out dangerous (if not deadly) experiments on large amounts of populations around the globe? We should automatically trust their stats? We should automatically trust their pronouncements/recommendations? Really?

Take a look at one of these elitists admitting that vaccines already have sterilants.

This person who SUPPORTS population control is admitting the following regarding a vaccine that sterilizes people and how unethical it has become:

Betsy Hartman, Director of the Population and Development Program at Hampshire College, Massachusetts in her essay "Population control in the new world order" has this to say about it:

http://static.scribd.com/docs/76968ycdaz6u3.pdf

“Although one vaccine has been tested on only 180 women in India, it is being billed there as ’safe, devoid of any side effects and completely reversible’. The scientific community knows very well that such assertions are false – for instance, many questions still remain about the vaccine’s long-term impact on the immune system and menstrual cycle. There is also evidence on film of women being denied information about the vaccine in clinical trials. Nevertheless, the vaccine is being prepared for large-scale use.”

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We don't want our children sterilized, thank you very much.

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J. Lane McMahon

1:44 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Ok Patrick,
You don't have to trust the government of India either.....

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Patrick Thomas

1:59 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Those are American and British pharmaceutical companies going in, with the blessing/permission of various governments, and conducting massive amounts of deadly experiments.

Remember when we used to hear about how colonialism was so horrible? Well, it hasn't stopped. The pharmaceutical giants have their dirty feet stomping all over the peoples of the world.

J. Lane McMahon

12:11 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

"I am human"
"I am left-handed"
"therefore, all humans are left-handed."

"My child has ASD"
"My child got a vaccination"
"Vaccinations cause ASD"

Nope, still doesn't work....

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Patrick Thomas

12:28 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Hundreds-of-thousands of parents are coming forward, giving testimony that a bus hit their kid and their kids are either dead or severely injured.

Therefore, we have "experts" and "officials" calling hundreds-of-thousands of parents 'delusional', 'conspiracy theorists' and many other choice adjectives being thrown at them in an attempt to discredit the victims.

Keep at it. That's all I have to say. Keep at it.

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J. Lane McMahon

1:01 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Yes Patrick,
Lots of parents, that have no medical degrees, or relative scientific background, are coming forward and point to what they believe is the cause of their childs affliction. these same parents are using simple, binary logic to "prove" their beliefs.

The medical community, WORLDWIDE, has a different view. One that you have dismissed out of hand. You claim conspiracy with Big Pharma because they don't agree with you.

Several times on this issue, I have asked you and others to explain why Japan, that stop MMR in 1999, did not see ASD rates decline. None of you have answered. Why did the rate of ASD jump up 4 fold in California in 1988?

Marsha McClelland

12:32 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Proof for J. Lane McMahon

Measles Outbreak among Vaccinated High School Students -- Illinois

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00000359.htm

More later!

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J. Lane McMahon

12:53 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

First, let me ask you a question. Why is it when myself or others cite CDC reports, you tell us that they can not be believed...they are lying, or they are in bed with big pharma, but when you cite them, they are "proof" of what you say?

Secondly, I do not dispute that there is a whooping cough outbreak in the US. Theat can not be dismissed. But let's look at the entire issue. CDC experts say that whooping cough is becoming vaccine resistaint. BUT! and it is a huge but, children who did recieve the vaccine show weaker symptoms and a shorter recovery time.

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J. Lane McMahon

12:54 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

And from YOUR measles report:

If waning immunity is not a problem, this outbreak suggests that measles transmission can occur within the 2%-10% of expected vaccine failures (5,7). However, transmission was not sustained beyond 36 days in this outbreak, and community spread was principally among unvaccinated preschool children. The infrequent occurrence of measles among highly vaccinated persons suggests that this outbreak may have resulted from chance clustering of otherwise randomly distributed vaccine failures in the community. That measles transmission can occur among vaccine failures makes it even more important to ensure persons are adequately vaccinated. Had there been a substantial number of unvaccinated or inadequately vaccinated students in the high school and the community, transmission in Sangamon County probably would have been sustained.

Chris Parsley

1:30 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

J. Lane I see you used google to find your own tin-hat wearing website to dispute the facts. Nice job...The fact is, developed in 1929 by Eli Lilly & Co. thimerosal, or ethylmercury, was used to kill bacteria and fungus that breed when vaccine vials are penetrated more than once, hence multi-dose vials.in 1931 when Lilly's initial safety test was documented. The study was conducted by injecting 22 terminal meningitis patients with the serum and concluded thimerosal was "non-toxic" since no adverse side effects were reported. What the final report did not say is the subjects were specifically chosen by Lilly because they knew not one person would live long enough to confirm the true nature of the beast. And so the story began... Keep debating all you want, you are just digging a hole for the public to drop you in when the truth comes out and it is coming out. Everyday on the street, I hear more and more people questioning all medicine, including vaccinations. That is the way it should be! People are waking up, as their loved ones are sick and dying from all the giant corporate greed behind the push for drugs that do nothing except pave the way to sell another drug to fix what the first drug caused. It is, plain and simple, a money machine that is beginning to go down in flames. And, they know it!

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J. Lane McMahon

1:41 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Part 2

But I am sure all these reports are lies....Right?

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J. Lane McMahon

1:43 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Well Chris, actually I use Bing. And at no point did I dispute the how or why thimersol was developed. Nor did I dispute the "quality" of the initial safety studies. The reason I didn't is because they have no bearing on the discussion at hand. And, you might want to look at this:

A recent study (Sept. 2010) published in the journal Pediatrics looked at over 1,008 children and their exposure to thimerosal during pregnancy and early childhood and found that thimerosal-containing vaccines did not increase a child's risk of getting autism.
A study (Jan. 2009) published in the journal Pediatrics, looked at over 1,400 children and found no association between thimerosal exposure in vaccines and developmental problems.
In December 2007 the Archives of General Psychiatry published findings that autism cases in California continued to increase even after thimerosal was removed as a preservative from routine childhood shots in 2001.
An article in the New England Journal of Medicine (Sept. 2007) analyzed data on over 1000 children and assessed 42 neuro-psychological outcomes. They did not find an association between early exposure to mercury from thimerosal and neuropsychological disorders. The authors consulted with a wide variety of outside experts and advocates including experts in toxicology, epidemiology, biostatistics, psychology, vaccine safety and a representative from the autism advocacy community.

Patrick Thomas

1:44 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

From ABC News:

World Health Organization Scientists Linked to Swine Flu Vaccine Makers

Investigation Raises Questions About WHO's Handling of H1N1 Pandemic

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/SwineFlu/swine-flu-pandemic-world-health-organization-scientists-linked/story?id=10829940

Scientists who advised the World Health Organization on its influenza policies and recommendations—including the decision to proclaim the so-called swine flu a "pandemic" had close ties to companies that manufacture vaccines and antiviral medicines like Tamiflu, a fact that WHO did not publicly disclose.

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Patrick Thomas

1:44 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Out of the Ukraine:

information agency

friday, 21 january 2011

Implementation of mandatory vaccination in Ukraine might have hidden agenda

http://unian.net/eng/news/news-343623.html

These industries push their product, they want monopoly and they play on people’s basic needs, most of all health which is a number one market. Vaccination is one example of such policies. Very often, under the umbrella of big international humanitarian organization whose main goal is global disease control, governments and companies are implementing their marketing strategies in search of high profits, says Mr. Yermolayev.

We had a number of cases where it was clear that vaccination was nothing but marketing and a tool to make money. It is possible that we are dealing with international corruption and international lobbyism here.

Otherwise Ukraine will soon become a victim of the world health care and drug industry and a target for cheap experiments disguised as charity and various humanitarian programs.

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J. Lane McMahon

1:47 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

First off, having just been in the Ukraine, I can personally tell you that it is one of the most corrupt governments in the world. And last time I checked, the Ukraine has no hand at all in make US medical policy. So, you don't have to trust Ukraine either. Hahahaha...

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Patrick Thomas

1:56 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

That's what is so hilarious. As corrupt as the Ukrainian government is, even THEY have officials who have to put their foot down to stop all the corrupt pharmaceutical companies coming in and rampaging all over their people.

It's almost as if we have different factions of the mob fighting over who is the most corrupt and defending their turf against other factions.

Patrick Thomas

1:47 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

More vaccine trials kept secret by Irish government

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/republic-of-ireland/more-vaccine-trials-kept-secret-by-irish-government-14926306.html?r=RSS

The Irish government was told about secret vaccine trials at least six years ago but has refused to investigate them ever since.

Pharmaceutical giant GlaxoSmithKline -- the firm that was behind controversial vaccine trials on children in state care during the 1960s and 1970s -- handed over records relating to the tests to a child-abuse inquiry in 2004.

These trials involved 211 infants and babies and were carried out in mother and baby homes and children's residential homes across the country in order to test new vaccines.

Susan Lohan, co-founder of the Adoption Rights Alliance, said: "I'm flabbergasted that the State and the adoption authority didn't know the extent to which vaccine trials were being used in this country.

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Patrick Thomas

1:48 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Vaccines and Medical Experiments on Children, Minorities, Woman and Inmates (1845 - 2007)

http://www.naturalnews.com/022383_children_child.html

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Patrick Thomas

1:49 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Compensation system urged for research victims

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/compensation-system-urged-for-research-victims/2011/08/28/gIQALqFcpJ_story.html?wprss=rss_politics

The researchers also scraped sensitive parts of subjects’ anatomy to expose wounds to disease-causing bacteria, poured infectious pus into subjects’ eyes, and injected some victims’ spines.

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Patrick Thomas

1:51 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Irish News Documentary on Unethical Vaccine Experiments in Mother-And-Baby Homes

Broadcast on: 6 October 2011

In a full-length film, Prime Time's Katie Hannon reveals details of how children from mother and baby homes were used as test subjects by pharmaceutical companies who were trialling new vaccines.

http://www.rte.ie/news/av/2011/1006/primetime.html

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Chris Parsley

2:22 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

J. Lane, so far, every article you quote is tied to the money machine... it is apparent you are just on here debating this to bolster the machine itself, otherwise where is your motivation? My motivation is in the fact that I watched my perfectly happy, giggling healthy child change the very day he was injected with nine vaccinations. Of course I was told by the “medical professional” making money selling these vaccines they are in fact perfectly safe. Within hours of these injections, I had a child that writhed in pain, was extremely agitated, ran a fever, and cried non-stop (except when he finally fell asleep, which was not much) for six straight days. Prior to the day of injection, he had not fussed much at all. He laughed, giggled, made eye contact, and played like a child exploring his new surroundings with vigor for life. After the injection, we had a child that was distant, agitated, never smiled, never giggled and never played with his toys as he once had. So, I am in this because I was lied to by the very sources you quote as gospel.

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J. Lane McMahon

3:46 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

"bolster the machine itself," ? Yeah, because every woodworker I know has a vested interest in Big Pharma making more money.

I find it a little funny that you think everyone who disagrees with you is in bed with the vaccine companies.

When you talk about "the money machine", I have to wonder if you know that your watershed medical study, which proves the link was paid for by a lawyer repersenting a family suing a pharma company....(Wakefield)?

Also, is there a reason you chose to ignore my response about the first case of autism?

Chris Parsley

2:22 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

You may say I am emotionally charged and to that I would say, “You bet I am”! You and the people spouting propaganda on these pages are leaving a wake of crap in the future of these children. Granted some do not have issues with vaccinations, but for the ones that do, where are these all powerful thinkers that know so much? Why can they not at least figure out which children are at risk, if they are so smart? For that matter why can they not figure out what causes autism? All I hear from your “superior medical journals” is what does not cause autism and for that matter any other diseases that are growing at epidemic rates. Give us an answer to what causes autism and we will all focus our attention on that. However, you cannot! Why because in all your corporate funded medical journals, clinical tests, and trials, not one of them gives a solid answer to this question. All they do is tell us what it is not. So I ask where is your motivation, the greater good and the percentages of damage done compare to the “so called” immunized, and safe? Oh yes that is right, they are not safe until every person on the planet has a vaccination, to hell with the ones that cannot survive it. For me the percentages are 100%. Walk a day in my shoes.

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J. Lane McMahon

4:06 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Process of elimination....it is the most common method of diagnosis...and it works. Finding the real cause of autism will take years of research and loads of money.

"Ehreth estimates that vaccines annually prevent almost 6 million deaths worldwide.19 In the USA, there has been a 99% decrease in incidence for the nine diseases for which vaccines have been recommended for decades,20 accompanied by a similar decline in mortality and disease sequelae."
http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/86/2/07-040089/en/index.html

Patrick Thomas

3:07 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

It's not the vaccines - it's the nutrition and sanitation

If any of you wonder why the overwhelming majority of kids who get measles, chicken pox, diphtheria, etc. in the western world do not die and pretty much only have mild symptoms, it's because we have plenty of food on the table and clean water/flush toilets. If you are malnourished, even having a cold can kill you.

Take a look at these mainstream news stories which back up my claim:

More than 25% kids in UP severely malnourished - The Times of India

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/More-than-25-kids-in-UP-severely-malnourished/articleshow/11441609.cms

"the risk of death from common childhood diseases is two-time for a mildly malnourished child, three-time in a moderately malnourished child and as high as eight-time for a severely malnourished child."

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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/27/health/27docs.html?_r=2&partner=rss&emc=rss

LAWRENCE K. ALTMAN, M.D.: "My generation saw childhood measles in abundance. We knew it was a very contagious disease. But few of us realized just how lethal the measles virus could be, particularly in Africa, where death rates in outbreaks ran as high as 25 percent — largely because many patients were already afflicted with malnourishment and parasitic infections."

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J. Lane McMahon

3:53 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Patrick,
Do not twist Dr. Altman's words....if you actually read the whole article, he says vaccines are needed. And yes, people who get measles who are already sick have a higher mortality rate. Why is this a surprise? This article actually works against you.

Let me guess, only the part you cite wasn't paid for by big Pharma.

Bruce Vanicek

3:55 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Distant Cousin, Here's my answer to your question about my distrust of government. I would have to say that I distrust government more than I trust it. I also love America. Because my government has proven untrustworthy in some areas and I question that, it does not mean I am not patriotic. In fact, I believe quite the opposite. The pain that autism and vaccine injury has caused me has made me do my fair share of soul searching. I think it is safe to say our government is broken. I don't believe we live in a true democracy. I hold our armed forces in high regard and believe they do an outstanding job. I trust that the IRS will be at my door should I not pay my taxes. I like to watch John Stewart. I like Ron Paul. I believe we went into Iraq because of oil. When prohibition ended for alcohol and not marijuana, I believe it was because the cotton industry lobbied Congress for fear of the competition from hemp in the textile industry(Hemp=Cannabis). I know marijuana is a fantastic medicine. Most important, before my indoctrination into the autism community, I was a blue blooded Republican that wanted nothing more than the status quo. I was the establishment! When my son was injured, I went to my government for help (the DOH, state and federal legislators, and the CDC). I banged my head there for years until I realized my efforts were for naught. I am quite persistent and I am still trying to rid myself of that headache generated from years of head banging.

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Bruce Vanicek

4:15 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Nothing will change until the pharmaceutical industry feels the pain. This means money. Unfortunately, this also means people not immunizing. It is not that they will not want to immunize, it will be because the can't because they have weighed the risks and found they are too great. As a result, we may see the return of some infectious diseases. I can't change this. I tried. The CDC can. It is always important to keep perspective. Try this one out. Polio was considered a national emergency when it afflicted 1 in 5000 people. Our best estimates indicate that autism afflicts 1 in 110 children, 1 in 70 if a pregnant woman is carrying a boy. Where is the national emergency?

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DB

5:23 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Study challenges notion of 'pandemic' flu
CDC-labeled pandemics no deadlier than seasonal influenza
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/pandemic-0411.html
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Advisers on Vaccines Often Have Conflicts, Report Says
By Gardiner Harris, New York Times, December 17, 2009
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/18/health/policy/18cdc.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=daniel+r.+levinson+cdc&st=cse
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Whistleblower Scientist Accuses British Medical Journal of Institutional Research Misconduct
Actions of BMJ Editor and Reporter "More Tabloid News than Science" According to Dr. David Lewis, and "a Genuine Threat to Public Health"
http://www.sacbee.com/2012/01/09/4172943/whistleblower-scientist-accuses.html
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An Elaborate Fraud, Part 1: In Which a Murdoch Reporter Deceives the Mother of a Severely Autistic Child
http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/07/an-elaborate-fraud-part-1-in-which-a-murdoch-reporter-deceives-the-mother-of-a-severely-autistic-chi.html
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Brian Deer Lords it at a Pharmaceutical Conference in France
http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/11/brian-deer-lords-it-at-a-pharmaceutical-conference-in-france.html
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5:23 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

The Vaccination Agenda: An Implicit Transhumanism/Dehumanism
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/vaccination-agenda-implicit-transhumanismdehumanism
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Are genetic contributions to disease a 'phantom'?
http://www.gmwatch.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13613:are-genetic-contributions-to-disease-a-phantom
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Conflict of Interest and Vaccine Development
http://www.healing-arts.org/children/vaccines/vaccines-conflict.htm
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Genetically engineered vaccines: ‘Inherently unpredictable and possibly dangerous’
http://www.twnside.org.sg/title/twr127c.htm
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Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg - Faked Pandemic: WHO and Big Pharma, H1N1-Report of the Council of Europe
http://www.wodarg.de/english/3509880.html
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Finland vows care for narcolepsy kids who had swine flu shot
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5g1doyMOnXuq77VZHACz_rcbX99BA?docId=CNG.4b56b632b2812693ed69ed1191fc79dc.261
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Germany to destroy expensive, unwanted swine flu vaccine
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,15324186,00.html
[Less than ten percent of people in France and Germany decided to get this vaccine while Poland did not allow this vaccine to be distributed in the country at all.]
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Poland Says “No” to H1N1 Vaccine
Of the world's 193 recognized sovereign states, only Poland refused the H1N1 vac...
http://www.altergroup.com/alter-care-blog/index.php/healthcare/poland-says-no-to-h1n1-vaccine/
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5:24 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Major Victory with Swine Flu Scandal
http://www.foodconsumer.org/newsite/Non-food/Disease/major_victory_with_swine_flu_scandal_191120090720.html
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Pharmaceutical Industry Is Biggest Defrauder of the Federal Government Under the False Claims Act, New Public Citizen Study Finds
Public Citizen, December 16, 2010
http://www.citizen.org/pressroom/pressroomredirect.cfm?ID=3239
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Are prescription drugs safe? Not necessarily
http://www.consumerreports.org/health/best-buy-drugs/drug-safety-overview/overview/drug-safety-overview-ov.htm
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Most Drugs Don't Work
http://medicalconsumers.org/2011/05/15/most-drugs-dont-work/
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Two Prominent Vaccine "Experts" Exposed
http://www.ahrp.org/cms/content/view/811/9/
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HPV vaccine isn't the only procedure Rick Perry has mandated
http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/16/8825069-hpv-vaccine-isnt-the-only-procedure-rick-perry-has-mandated
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Biodefense and Pandemic Vaccine and Drug Development Act of 2005 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioshield_Two

'The Biodefense and Pandemic Vaccine and Drug Development Act of 2005 (S. 1873), nicknamed "Bioshield Two" and sponsored by Senator Richard Burr (R-North Carolina), aims shorten the pharmaceutical development process for new vaccines and drugs in case of a pandemic, and to protect vaccine makers and the pharmaceutical industry from legal liability for vaccine injuries.'
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5:25 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Vaccines and autism: a new scientific review
Sharyl Attkisson, CBS News, March 31 2011
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20049118-10391695.html

‘For all those who’ve declared the autism-vaccine debate over – a new scientific review begs to differ. It considers a host of peer-reviewed, published theories that show possible connections between vaccines and autism.

The article in the Journal of Immunotoxicology is entitled “Theoretical aspects of autism: Causes–A review.” The author is Helen Ratajczak, surprisingly herself a former senior scientist at a pharmaceutical firm. Ratajczak did what nobody else apparently has bothered to do: she reviewed the body of published science since autism was first described in 1943. Not just one theory suggested by research such as the role of MMR shots, or the mercury preservative thimerosal; but all of them.’
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A Positive Association found between Autism Prevalence and Childhood Vaccination uptake across the U.S. Population
Journal of Toxicology and Environmental Health, Part A: Current Issues
Volume 74, Issue 14, 2011
http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all~content=a938070200~frm=titlelink
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Dispelling Vaccination Myths
An Introduction to the Contradictions Between Medical Science and Immunization Policy
Alan Phillips, J.D., Attorney and Counselor at Law
http://www.vaccinerights.com/pdf/DispellingVaccinationMythsx.pdf
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5:25 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

We don’t know enough about childhood vaccines
By Margaret Dunkle, Baltimore Sun, July 11, 2011
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-vaccines-illness-20110711,0,7906966.story
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GlaxoSmithKline not liable to pay Pandemrix damages -Mediuutiset
Helsinki Times, 04 February 2011
http://www.helsinkitimes.fi/htimes/domestic-news/general/14134-glaxosmithkline-not-liable-to-pay-pandemrix-damages-mediuutiset-.html
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Plans by feds to charge corporate executives in Medicare, Medicaid fraud cases is good news
http://blog.seattlepi.com/boomerconsumer/2011/05/31/plans-by-feds-to-charge-corporate-executives-in-medicare-medicaid-fraud-cases-is-good-news/
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5:25 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Testimony by Gary Null at the New York State Assembly in October 2009 against a mandatory flu vaccination order for health care workers. This quote comes from the last minute of the last video clip:

‘And I might mention, I keep hearing everyone say the expert panel agreed that there was no connection, I heard it earlier in the day, between vaccines and autism. But I happened to actually go to the research and I found that that was absolutely not true. In fact, of the members of the panel of that vaccine oversight committee, thirteen members of the committee said that there was a connection, they had no vaccine or drug company affiliation, the small percentage that said that there was not a connection all had vaccine or drug company affiliations. And I am surprised that that information has not been made available. I also have all the studies on the sicknesses that children have developed when they have taken the flu vaccines, and all of these separate studies. They are all peer-reviewed.’

Part 1: Gary Null Speaking Out at the NYS Assembly Hearing, 10-13-2009:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3XlJB7J5-o&NR=1
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Research supports link in autism to mercury
The St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Tina Hesman
Published December 13, 2004
More: http://www.ewg.org/node/16914
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DB

5:26 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Page on vaccination on GreenMedInfo:
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/anti-therapeutic-action/vaccination-all

‘All the research indexed below is sourced from the US National Library of Medicine and is presented to the public for the purposes of education.’
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RE: Problems associated with the Hepatitis B vaccine
And here are some more links to studies indicating problems with Hepatitis B vaccination, compiled on this GreenMedInfo site:
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/anti-therapeutic-action/vaccination-hepatitis-b
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Jennifer Craig, Origins of Vaccines [On problems with initial smallpox vaccination, Edward Jenner's work]
http://www.drbloem.com/video/jennifer-craig-origins-of-vaccines.htm
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GSK fined after over vaccine trials; 14 babies reported dead
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/88922/gsk-lab-fined-over-vaccine-tests-that-killed-14--babies
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Human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine policy and evidence-based medicine: Are they at odds?
http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.3109/07853890.2011.645353
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5:28 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Feds Hit Pfizer with a $2.3 Billion Fine
The Obama Administration, determined to show a tough stance against drugmakers, levies the largest drug-marketing penalty ever
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/sep2009/db2009092_913433.htm
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On problems with genetically modified crops, more biotech fraud:

Now Sierra Club tell Gates he’s wrong
GMWatch, Sunday, 15 November 2009
http://www.gmwatch.org/component/content/article/11681-now-sierra-club-tell-gates-hes-wrong
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5:37 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

New IOM Report on Vaccine Adverse Effects Shows Alarming Lack of Good Science
http://www.safeminds.org/news/pressroom/iom-report-vaccine-adverse-effects.html
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Romanian flu vaccines recalled
UPI, January 17, 2012
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2012/01/17/Romanian-flu-vaccines-recalled/UPI-32411326822180/
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U.S. to Force Drug Firms to Report Money Paid to Doctors
By Robert Pear, New York Times, January 16, 2012
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/17/health/policy/us-to-tell-drug-makers-to-disclose-payments-to-doctors.html?_r=2&ref=health
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The Shocking Lack of Evidence Supporting Flu Vaccines
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/shocking-lack-evidence-supporting-flu-vaccines
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No magic bullet on the flu
David Finkelstein, Los Angeles Times, January 2012
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-finkelstein-tamiflu-20120115,0,6714636.story
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14 New Side Effects Found of Widely Prescribed Swine Flu Drug Tamiflu
http://zeenews.india.com/news/health/diseases/14-new-side-effects-found-of-widely-prescribed-swine-flu-drug-tamiflu_15267.html
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Vaccine-induced Toxicity page, GreenMedInfo
[Scroll down on this page to find a list of studies cited on this.]
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/disease/vaccine-induced-toxicity

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5:48 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Useless Studies, Real Harm
By Carl Elliot, New York Times, July 28, 2011
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/29/opinion/useless-pharmaceutical-studies-real-harm.html?_r=2
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Challenging Medical Ghostwriting in US Courts – PLoS Medicine:
http://therefusers.com/refusers-newsroom/challenging-medical-ghostwriting-in-us-courts-plos-medicine

'Sections 310 and 311 of the Restatement allow injured third parties to recover from a person who has made an intentional and negligent misrepresentation inducing action that involves a risk of physical harm [28]. The Restatement emphasizes that liability “extends to any person who, in the course of an activity which is in furtherance of his own interests, undertakes to give information to another, and knows or should realize that the safety of the person or others may depend on the accuracy of the information”'
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Swine Flu Cases Overestimated?
Sharyl Attkisson, CBS News, October 27, 2009
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500690_162-5404829.html
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Pushing back against Gates propaganda
GMWatch, 26 January 2012
http://www.gmwatch.eu/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13643%3Apushing-back-against-gates-propaganda
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5:55 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

WHO-linked centre lays patent claim related to bird flu virus
http://www.twnside.org.sg/title2/health.info/2008/twnhealthinfo20080804.htm
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Tamiflu Data Called Inconsistent, Underreported
Nancy A. Melville, Medscape, January 20, 2012
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/757226?sssdmh=dm1.751875&src=nldne
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Is Pfizer the BP of Drug Companies?
Martha Rosenberg, FoodConsumer.org, 7/15/2010
http://www.foodconsumer.org/newsite/Non-food/Drug/is_pfizer_the_bp_of_drug_companies_1507100754.html
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Bio-Lab's untold story
GMWatch, January 20 2012
http://gmwatch.org/latest-listing/1-news-items/13630-bio-labs-untold-story

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6:12 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Whistleblower Scientist Accuses British Medical Journal of Institutional Research Misconduct
Actions of BMJ Editor and Reporter "More Tabloid News than Science" According to Dr. David Lewis, and "a Genuine Threat to Public Health"
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/whistleblower-scientist-accuses-british-medical-120000364.html

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6:37 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Vaccine Injury Compensation: A Failed Experiment in Tort Reform?
Barbara Loe Fisher, National Vaccine Information Center
http://www.ageofautism.com/2008/11/vaccine-injury.html

'On Nov. 14, 1986, President Ronald Reagan signed the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 into law, instituting first-time vaccine safety reforms in the U.S. vaccination system and creating the first no-fault federal vaccine injury compensation program alternative to a lawsuit against vaccine manufacturers and pediatricians.'

Yes, thank you, Spring Street, for that one on liability law. Yes, vaccination injury claim cases should be handled in the same manner as all other pharmaceutical consumer product injury claims and not in a special vaccine court.

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6:41 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Supreme Court shields vaccine makers from lawsuits
The Supreme Court's 6-2 ruling upholds a federal law that offers compensation to victims of side effects from vaccines and prohibits lawsuits.
By David G. Savage, Los Angeles Times, February 22, 2011
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/feb/22/news/sc-dc-0223-court-vaccines-20110223

'Justice Antonin Scalia said the high court majority agreed with Congress that these side effects were "unavoidable" when a vaccine is given to millions of children.

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Justices Sonia Sotomayor and Ruth Bader Ginsburg dissented, arguing that Congress did not mean to shield drug makers from suits if their vaccines were defective and prone to cause injuries. Justice Elena Kagan did not participate in the decision.'

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Chris Novax

6:42 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

VACCINES SHOULD NEVER, EVER BE MANDATED!!! I AM THE MOTHER OF A VACCINE INJURED CHILD! I WISH I HAD KNOWN MORE ABOUT THE RISKS AND WAS BETTER EDUCATED OF THE INGREDIENTS AND ADVERSE REACTIONS. THE AAP/CDC CHILDHOOD VACCINATION SCHEDULE HAS MORE THAN TRIPPLED IN THE PAST 30 YRS. AND SO HAS THE RISE IN CHILDREN DIAGNOSED W/ DEVELOPEMENTAL DISORDERS, ADD, ADHD, ASPBERGERS, AUTISM AND OTHER CHRONIC ILLNESSES AND NEUROLOGICAL DISORDERS! OUR WORLD IS MORE TOXIC THAN EVER AND NOW A DAYS MOST INDIVIDUALS/CHILDREN HAVE UNDERLYING MEDICAL CONDITIONS (LOW LIVER GLUTATHIONE PRODUCTION, KIDNEY FUNCTION, GUT IMMUNITY, THYROID, ETC.) AND STOP VACCINATING NEWBORNS, THE BLOOD BRAIN BARRIER THAT PROTECTS THE BRAIN FROM TOXINS/VIRUSES (IN VACCINES) ENTERING IT, DOES NOT FULLY DEVELOPE UNTIL 2-3 MONTHS OLD! INSANITY W/ ALL THE CORRUPTION, GREED AND POLITICS INVOLVED W/ VACCINES AND THE MAINSTREAM MEDICAL INSTITUTIONS IT IS APPAULING!!!

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Marsha McClelland

7:20 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

I know i'm being censored but want to say the side of truth is standing thanks to so many, proving those posting here are wrong, wrong, wrong.

amber

7:19 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Ntpresident please tell my 3 yr old autistic son this wasn't really caused from a vaccination that it is all just his imagination. Yes vaccinations can cause autism.and I choose not to vaccinate.

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nptresident

8:39 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Ok, amber. Vaccines did not cause your son's autism. I have tremendous respect and empathy for parents struggling with an autistic child, and I believe that it is natural fo find reasons for difficulties in our lives. No one is to blame here. You immunized your child from serious diseases and did the right things a parent can do. Don't blame yourself or the medical community. Millions of children have been immunized and are not autistic. I feel for you, but the information spread here is suspect at best. Table care.

DB

1:01 am on Friday, January 27, 2012

Vaccines, Autism and Brain Damage: What's in a Name?
Sharyl Attkisson, CBS News, September 14, 2010
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20016356-10391695.html

'In fact, CBS News has found nearly 1,300 cases in which vaccine-related brain damage has been compensated in court over the past 20 years.

The debate over any links between vaccines and autism - a behavior problem triggered by brain damage - couldn't be more contentious. The great majority of medical opinion holds that vaccines don't cause autism. However, many of the same experts don't dispute that vaccines can, in rare instances, cause brain damage.'

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Pamela M Fernandes

7:45 am on Friday, January 27, 2012

I love how heated this debate is.. it tells us that WE do care ~ one way or another!
Did anyone see the National News debate on the affects of PLASTICS in your homes and lives that affect the outcome of vaccinations??? ARE you going to rid your homes of plastics, the lunch boxes, your carpeting, your appliances.. the containers you use, the clothing you wear???? .. this could go on forever... Let's face it a vaccination is a quick fix.. WHAT are the alternatives to healthier life styles overall... for our country and the world!

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Nikki

2:22 am on Sunday, January 29, 2012

Vaccination is a quick fix for big pockets......stop with the vaccines and autism.....vaccines cause so much more damage than autism alone.....

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tiff

8:46 am on Sunday, January 29, 2012

Do you have any idea how vaccines have saved people's lives? Read some history.

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